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Some advice needed Edit

Sag, how could I create my own sandbox here (sth like Wikipedia user/sandbox) or talk archive (you've got a couple)? --dotz (talk) 10:58, September 11, 2012 (UTC)

I just created those by adding a "/whatever" to my user page directory in the browser and then edited the empty page that showed up (like dotz/sandbox). -- SaganamiFan (talk) 20:25, September 11, 2012 (UTC)


I did not use stay logged in button and had to relog in in modifing David Mattingly. I had to re-log in so user was me pokermind. David Mattingly provided the two images added specifficly for his profile. Of curiosity Genkis who does the French covers also said he use the Honorverse Wiki as a recourse for his covers, and is currently working on Mount Royal Palace probbaly for the French A Raising Thunder.


Pokermind (talk) 03:34, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

Genovese Sector Detachment (conj.) Edit

Are you really sure, that with frontier Genovese Sector and Battlecruiser Division 3065.2 assigned there, there was no Genovese Sector Detachment? --dotz (talk) 14:21, October 27, 2012 (UTC)

Pictures Edit

Hi, I'd like to know, if I can use some of your pictures for the PDF version of a HH-Fanfiction. (Unfortunatly it is currently 200pages of German text, so you are probably won't be able to read it.) Regards, Gabriel

Edit: Just saw, you live in Germany. ;) Are you also working within the German HH-Wiki ( Regards, Gabriel -- 09:04, November 5, 2012‎ (UTC)

Hey Gabriel,
wie du ja selber schon festgestellt hast bin ich genau so deutsch wie du :-)
Zu deinen Fragen: die meisten unserer Bilder unterliegen der Fair Use-Lizenz, das heißt es handelt sich um kopiergeschütztes Material von den Verlagen, aus deren Buchillustrationen- und -covern wir uns bedienen. Wir dürfen damit die Bilder quasi zu "wissenschaftlichen" Zwecken darstellen (wie auch Wikipedia) aber nicht zu privaten oder kommerziellen. Eigentlich sollte die Dateibeschreibung jedes Bildes genau beinhalten, woher es stammt und welcher Lizenz es unterliegt, aber das klappt bisher nur begrenzt... das Problem ist das dieses Fair Use-Prinzip meines Wissens nach nur in Amerika so funktioniert, und Wikia ist eine amerikanische Firma. Wie die Lage da in Deutschland ist, weiß ich nicht. Strenger, würde ich mal erwarten ;-)
Zu deiner anderen Frage: mit dem deutschen Wiki habe ich bisher noch nicht gearbeitet, da ich die Bücher nur im Englischen gelesen habe. Allerdings hab ich in letzter Zeit öfters mal drüber nachgedacht.
Gruß aus Bremen, -- SaganamiFan (talk) 11:17, November 5, 2012 (UTC)
Das deutsche Wiki ist gefühlt etwas kleiner, aber enthält auch Infos, die hier noch zu fehlen scheinen. Vielleicht ist ja eine Kooperation möglich. Danke für den Hinweis zu den Bildern. CmdGabriel (talk) 11:57, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

New Anthol Edit

Sag, Amazon has posted a new Honorverse anthology titled "Beginning's Worlds of Honor 6". Date of release is listed as July 02 2013. -- John964 (talk) 05:57, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

Ah, that's the one Tim Zahn referred to in his post about the new prequel trilogy. -- SaganamiFan (talk) 12:44, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

Fan Art Edit

Hi SaganamiFan,

Nothing is worse than working at cross purposes, nor as discouraging to a contributor as having an addition removed for seemingly no good reason. When no cannon art exists, and a Fan art is available why not use when labeled fan art? You have used your own fan art in Solarian League. We Americans have a saying 'What's good for the goose is good for the gander,' meaning that you as site administrator should not do what we peons are not allowed to do, it discourages participation, just saying.

I'm medically retired and thus have time to ask for and post art something you may lack, I however lack skills with computers and have only been on the net a year. Could you divide the Fan art into I suggest the categories IE treecats, Honor Harrington, Other Honorverse characters, and (ships, equipment, logos, ect.: a catch all else). As a treecatphyle I started on the 'cats. If you don't want me to continue say so. I have two request to use still out if they are affirmative I'll add them and you will have a complete file with what I consider the best treecat fan art on DeviantArt. I realize available memory space considerations may influence this decision, and frankly why bother if you're not going to use where there is no canon art.

Slightly torqued, now pissed off as your private message link would not accept saying action throtled! What the fuck is going on!

-- Pokermind (talk) 15:23, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

Hi Poker,
sorry this took so long, was out for the day... first of all, I don't know what's up with the private message system, I only get your messages days later, and I'm not sure you even get my answers at all... not very reliable, this thing...
Now, for the fan art, I guess we have different opionions here, but please rest assured I meant no disrespect. I simply believe (a believe groomed from years on other wikis) that the official ("canon", to use the pretentious term) content should be separated from the fan art as a principle, same as not including fan fiction in the article space. It's really not that I don't like fan art, quite on the contrary! But allowing everyone to post his nice little drawings in articles can get pretty messy, especially when the mainstream popularity of the Honorverse rises once the movie project gets up and running. That's why I also removed the fan art from "Solarian League" -- it wasn't mine, I think it was Samanda's. Most wikis I know work this way, many even forbid uploading fan art at all, which I think is wrong. I just think it shouldn't be in articles.
Of course all this is not written in stone, and I suggest we further discuss this subject with the others in the Community Portal. Doesn't look to good when the German guy insists on making all the decisions himself, does it? ;)
Anyway, I'm currently working on creating a specific in-wiki portal for fan art cause I think the community should have a good place to see it -- nicely done fan art has merit in and off itself, in my opinion. This could also include links in the articles or even a template (something like "The subject of this article has fan art"). Memory space shouldn't be a problem, other Wikia wikis have a hundred times as many images uploaded as we do. Upload as much as you like, I will format them later (mostly it's just adding a file summary and categories anyway).
Again, I didn't mean to discourage you, I really like your energy and your humor, and am also impressed by the openess with which you contact the people behind the whole mythology. I'm rather hesitant where this is concerned, think it's a cultural thing...
Best, -- SaganamiFan 23:09, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

Pokermind (talk) 02:07, November 16, 2012 (UTC)Pokermind moved converstion to Comunity Talk, well I hope that's where you meant. I gave my side and a short one sentance praxis of yours an asked for comments. As to the openess thing my father taught me with a saying of his, "I may not be better than anyone else, but damn if I'm any worse!" On the German thing I've worked with a harder headed German, Rainier Prem, from Wissebughton [? sp] near Frnkfort Am Main on drawing for his railroad in the 1632verse. Here's a link, and no, I don't know German, took several e-Mails I can't spell in English let alone German. :) I'm a fellow artist, a blacksmith and gunsmith check my profile photos here or on DA for a couple of my guns, have a photo of a gadget I invented that I blacksmithed on my DA page. Poker
Pokermind (talk) 06:13, January 25, 2013 (UTC)Pokermind
First Genkis copied his bio on his DA page and anomoniously posted it on his page not I. 
I see you moved fan art to a seperate page.  Would you mind adding a link to this new page in treecat where it was incase any of the artists check and can't find it and also a link to each art in general list it currently shows no usge on several arts and shows them as my work and this might irritate the artists who did the work.  Hind sight being 20/20 the page for fan arts might have been best from the begining.  Given "Note: We usually try to avoid using fan art in articles the way official artwork is used," no way to add photos, and the fact that Fan Art in search links to an empty page do you wish me to continue getting more for you or not?  I thought we had it hashed out, but seeing the art I hunted removed from files with no canon art shocks and saddens me.  Poker
Pokermind (talk) 17:19, January 25, 2013 (UTC)Pokermind.  Added  page Fan Art as not every one will have the exact link words, and one in treecat to link to the removed fan art.  Do you think this link to another artist time lapse from drawing to finished art might be approprite on Genkis' Profile? Poker
Pokermind (talk) 19:05, January 25, 2013 (UTC)Pokermind
Although the above is a nice time lapse showing the creation of art on the computer Genkis says the following:
To be honest I have a strange method to draw. Because I'm almost autodidact. Not really but almost. So I don't really draw like the guy on this video

Well, I like my bio on the wiki. I don't see any problem, thanks

I mentioned your editing his bio and grumped at the reduction in art size, in conversation here   Well the artist liked your edit of his profile you probbly don't get enough positive feedback, so savor, Poker
New artist posting on DA mostly ships and missiles you might like PokerPokermind (talk) 17:54, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

HonorCon Edit


just anounced on Baen's Bar more info on Honorcon 2013 Honor Harringtion's twentyth birthday bash :

Bryan Haven wrote:.
Good Evening,

Just a few words to ease everyone's minds. Yes, there is going to be a public convention celebrating the 20th anniversary of the Honorverse. The dates are set, the contract for the location is in negotiation and should be signed this week. The website, ticketing, accommodations information, and a preliminary schedule of events should follow soon after. We have invited guests, industry representatives, entertainment, dealers, and artists. We are waiting to confirm what we know. Until then, put this in your calendar and get ready for the best weekend in 2013!

HonorCon 2013
Celebrating 20 years in the worlds of Honor Harrington

November 8-10, 2013
Greenville, SC

Bryan Haven - Secretary/CIO - BuNine Consulting, Inc. HonorCon Co-Chairman

End quote

There's no forum for convention announcements you might consider one -- Pokermind (talk) 16:08, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

Might be worth an entry in the News box too. -- SaganamiFan 17:23, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

More Fan Art / Fan FictionEdit

Added the first of the Fan arts in Other Human Characters in treecat Fan Art. Note last three treecat additions need editing, and Fan art needs to be split to new catigory Other Human Charcters. Sorry I haven't figured out how to do this myself. Ask me to build a gun from scratch, no problem, but fixing the photofile the way you do, no way. -- Pokermind (talk) 05:57, November 22, 2012 (UTC)

Hi, A Nonorverse Battlestar Galactica crossover novel was entered on DevintArt, I know its fan-fic, but some Honorverse is better than no Honorverse, and it is in your native language.
Merry Christmas,
Enjoy. Let me  know if it is any good, as I don't read German.  PS I don't know how to post in the news box or even how to find it. Pokermind (talk) 14:34, December 17, 2012 (UTC)
I'll check it out :) sorry for the late answer, something is wrong with the message notification on my account... -- SaganamiFan (talk) 17:33, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

House of SteelEdit

Sag, The e ARC for House of Steel has been released--John964 (talk) 02:07, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

Just uploaded trwing of treecat and Medusain from House of Steel.  Be warned errors in text of eARC for instnce on treecat tail rings shown here in two quotes:

“Males also tend to be about fifteen to twenty percent larger than females and, unlike females, grow darker bands around their tails as they age. These “tail rings” make it possible to estimate a male’s age with a fair degree of accuracy. The first ring appears at about three Sphinxian years of age and a new band appears every third Sphinxian year thereafter. A male treecat with two tail rings would be a minimum of eight Sphinxian years or just under forty-two T-years old.” House of Steel e-ARC p. 313

A silken blur of cream-and-gray fur scurried up the trunk of the tree humans called picket wood. It slowed as it reached the upper branches and became identifiable as a treecat . . . rather on the small side for a male. He was little more than a human meter in length from nose to prehensile tail-tip, and that same tail showed only six age bands. Since male cats threw out their first band at the end of their fourth Sphinxian year of life, then added another for each additional year, that made him nine planetary years—or just under forty-seven T-years—old. That was barely over the edge into young adulthood for a species which routinely lived five times that long, but he moved with an assurance at odds with his youth.” What Price Dreams, David Weber, Worlds of Honor e-book p. 69

Male Treecat HOS eARC p313

treecat drawing from House of Steel e-ARC page 313

Medusan HOS eARC p321

Medusain from House of Steel e-ARC p321

Pokermind (talk) 18:44, February 15, 2013 (UTC)Pokermind

Note copyright is not Baen but:

Copyright © 2013 by Words of Weber, Inc. and BuNine.

Note on pagiation used I down loaded RTF into Micorosoft Word pagiations is MSWord starting with cover page as page 1 Pokermind (talk) 16:08, February 16, 2013 (UTC)pokermind

Gen'ral copyediting Edit

Understood and thank you (and no trouble). Eschiss1 (talk) 13:35, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

Featured Article Edit

It has been three years, shall we put up a new one? We can put up a new one each month. --Farragut79 (talk) 04:27, May 25, 2013 (UTC)

Other Languages Edit

I know of a German Honor Harrington Wiki, are there other ones in different languages that you have seen? Maybe we can have links for a partnership? --Farragut79 (talk) 07:25, June 2, 2013 (UTC)

RMMC and RMA UniformsEdit

Sag, BuNine has released the color plates for House of Steel RMMC and RMA. Go to DW web site and click on Honorvers topic New uniforms patches insignia etc released. These show Iris Babcock's decorations and it is impressive -- John964 (talk) 20:18, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

Wow, that whole thing's awesome! -- SaganamiFan (talk) 22:34, June 23, 2013 (UTC)
Sag, theres more information B9lurker has posted the decoration order for the uniforms depicted in the above HoS. Look in the topick Fruit Salad RMMC RMA QoRJohn964 (talk) 23:51, June 28, 2013 (UTC)
Sag, Can I get you to make one change please, Captain Tadislaw Kaczmarczyk is not knighted, you have the right class, Companion of the Order of King Roger (5th class), but that does not confer a knighthood, the next class up does that of Knight of the Order of King Roger (4th Class). I'm only new on Wiki and don't know all the functions yet :). B9Lurker (talk) 10:50, June 29, 2013 (UTC)

Decoration Fixes Edit


Thanks for fixing my very quick and of the cuff edits to the RMN decorations. I know the grammar was bad :-). B9Lurker (talk) 15:06, June 29, 2013 (UTC)

No problem, I'm used to fixing stuff ^^ half our editors are non-native speakers, (as am I for that matter) but that's the great thing about wikis, anyone can come in and do small fixes to improve the end result.
Also, I'm always happy when others improve on the military aspects, cause I'm actually not very familiar with real-world military procedure (we Germans have become rather unmilitaristic since that troublesome affair 70 years ago...) -- SaganamiFan (talk) 15:23, June 29, 2013 (UTC)
You are going to love the Andermani Empire awards :-). We have a German member of BuNine doing with myself and we focused on Prussian awards. B9Lurker (talk) 15:34, June 29, 2013 (UTC)
Well I can give you the whole gallantry and bravery decorations template then, you can edit the awards from there :-)
Parliamentary Medal of Valor, the Premier SKM/SEM award. Awarded to all members and services for gallantry in Combat.
Manticore Cross, Highest officer award for RMN/RMMC for gallantry in combat.
Saganami Cross, Second highest officer award for RMN/RMMC for gallantry in combat.
Order of Gallantry, Third highest officer award for RMN/RMMC for gallantry in combat.
Osterman Cross, Highest enlisted and non comissioned officer award for RMN/RMMC for gallantry in combat.
Distinguished Gallantry Cross, Second highest enlisted and non comissioned officer award for RMN/RMMC for gallantry in combat.
Navy Star, Third highest, enlisted and non comissioned officer award for RMN/RMMC for gallantry in combat.
Conspicuous Gallantry Medal, lowest gallantry award, which can also be awarded for non combat bravery, but only to members of the Armed Forces. Awarded to all members and services.
Distinguished Service Order, for gallant leadership in combat.
Queen's Cross of Bravery, Highest non combat award. Awarded to civilians and military alike for bravery not in the face of an enemy.
Gryphon Star, Second highest non combat award. Awarded to civilians and military alike for bravery not in the face of an enemy.
Queen's Bravery Medal, Third highest non combat award. Awarded to civilians and military alike for bravery not in the face of an enemy.
Conspicuous Bravery Medal, lowest non combat award. Awarded to civilians and military alike for bravery not in the face of an enemy.
B9Lurker (talk) 15:52, June 29, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome Edit

Thank you for the welcome! I was reading the "People" section of "The Honorverse Companion" in House of Steel and was amusing myself by trying to identify exactly when it was supposedly written in-universe. Its "author" was clearly unaware of the upcoming Battle of Manticore, but knew about the Apollo missiles of the Cutworm Operations and Harvest Joy's impending investigation of the Torch wormhole, sans Dr. Kare. By my count, that places it sometime between March 1921 PD (Torch of Freedom, chapters 17-27, the last 2 about the wormhole) and 24 July 1921 PD (although I'm just using the existing Timeline date for the Battle of Manticore; I haven't spotted where that date came from). My research also inspired me to update Operation Rat Poison (execution [no pun intended] in chapter 29, April 1921 PD) and its entry in the timeline. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 23:48, July 12, 2013 (UTC)

Links Edit

Hi Sagami. Im having a problem making page links. I highlight, and click on the link symbol, confirm that its correct. Then when I publish, I lose the link. E.g. I've been updating Havenite Star System and none of the links have stayed. Any ideas?

Bigshotty (talk]]) 12:52, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

Answer on your talk page :-) -- SaganamiFan (talk) 16:25, July 17, 2013 (UTC)


As mentioned earlier, I can get links to stay when a page is published, and I cant get into source either. My computer is ancient - I thinks its second hand from Noah using it on the Ark. So probably not enough capacity. I'm trying to make small improvements to Honorverse but's its frustrating. Couldn't get links going in La Martine or even add a La Martine (Planet) page.

Might have to give it a miss.

Bigshotty (talk) 10:51, July 23, 2013 (UTC)

Treecat Wars Edit

Dear Saganami Fan...

Sorry to bother you, but I have been wandering around the Honorverse trying to find how to post a general question on the Forum, and for some reason I cannot find where to do that!? Maybe I am being just dumb, but usually I can figure out stuff like this.

Anyway, I have a simple question (I think) and seeing as you are obviously an avid contributor I hope you can steer me to the proper place to ask this question.

In the details describing the time-line of the books, I am confused by SK3 "Treecat Wars" (which I have not read yet). The synopsis makes it clear that it is set after the Battle of Manticore and the "date" is listed at 1922 PD...OK fine, but it also says that Stephanie Harrington is the main character:

Stephanie Harrington, the treecats' greatest advocate, is off to Manticore for extensive training—and up to her ears in challenges there.

How can this be, when she is dated as being born in 1507 PD and was a way early ancestor of the current Honor Harrington??? Even the link in "Characters" to Stephani Harrington on the novel's page confirms this.

Can anyone explain what is going on here???

I only recently discovered David Weber - have read nearly all the HH, Saganami, Crown of Slaves, etc. books in last few months, so maybe I am missing something obvious, but I don't think so.

Thanks much... 16:15, August 4, 2013 (UTC)

As Shannon Foraker would say: "Oops."
You actually stumbled across one of my rare but fatal mistakes ^^ that should of course be 1522 PD, not 1922. I've made that mistake several times since the Star Kingdom series started, because it's set pretty much exactly 400 years before the current date range of the main series.
I've corrected the article accordingly and also updated the reading order in the Honorverse novels article. Good catch! -- SaganamiFan (talk) 19:11, August 4, 2013 (UTC)

Great! Thanks for that propmpt correction on dates & sequnces ref. Treecat Wars...In the process I dsicovered your Books Chronology which was super, as i had been making my own abriged version.

Best 16:53, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

Fire SeasonEdit

Saginami Fan, I just read in one of Jane Lindskolds blog posts that the caracters dipicted on the cover are not in fact Stephanie Harrington and Lionheart but Jessica Pherris and Valiant. John964 (talk) 19:29, August 11, 2013 (UTC)

I read that too but I'm not entirely sure she interpreted the artist's intentions for that cover right. "Her anguish and protectiveness for the alien she holds cradled in her arms is eloquent in her posture. Close by, Climbs Quickly stands watch, his green eyes transformed to orange by the raging flames surrounding them."
Er... how are there two treecats in that scene? The treecat whose face we see (which Lindskold herself describes as Lionheart) is obviously the same one the human character is holding, curled around the upper body from behind.
And that human character pretty obviously looks like the person on the first book's cover, which is Stephanie. Jessica Pherris is described in the book as "curvy" with "wild masses of curly light auburn hair"; that doesn't sound at all like the girl on that cover to me.
Hate to say it, but I'm pretty sure Lindskold got this wrong... -- SaganamiFan (talk) 20:07, August 11, 2013 (UTC)

Cauldron of GhostsEdit

Sag, the cover for CoS3 has been posted to the Simon and Shuster site, But you can link to it by going to the DW site--John964 (talk) 23:20, August 15, 2013 (UTC)

Hah! Beat you to it! For once I was faster! :D -- SaganamiFan (talk) 23:22, August 15, 2013 (UTC)
Sag, They have posted snippets of Cauldron of Ghosts on David Weber's site --John964 (talk) 23:16, December 17, 2013 (UTC)

Jayne's series Edit

The cover pages for the books in the “Jayne’s Fighting Ships of the Galaxy” series do not have “Jayne’s Fighting Ships of the Galaxy” in the title. They should be renamed to match the title on the cover page and the title in the infobox.,_Vol._1

Please add the cover page, art / title page.

Syalantillesfel (talk) 11:30, December 8, 2013 (UTC)

Wiki versus Wikia Edit

Below are the differences between the wikia and wikipedia. The Companion and Cauldron of Ghosts need to be added to the infobox. Is Shadow of Freedom in the correct place?

-Main Honor Harrington series

--HH14 Shadow of Freedom

-Saganami Island

--Shadow of Freedom

-Crown of Slaves

--From the Highlands (Changer of Worlds)

--Fanatic (The Service of the Sword)

--Cauldron of Ghosts


--House of Steel: The Honorverse Companion

Syalantillesfel (talk) 11:34, December 8, 2013 (UTC)

Personal timeline of Helen MagnusEdit

Can you tell me where i can find a complete personal timeline of Helen Magnus on the web?. Like a website. Thanks.

Please respond to my message, SaganamiFan.--TyphussJediVader (talk) 15:26, February 17, 2014 (UTC)

Seaford Nine Ambush Edit

The article should be added or the battle removed from the infobox.

Syalantillesfel (talk) 03:18, March 16, 2014 (UTC)

Agreed. If we create the article, there should be something useful in it. I have to say I'm not quite sure what event this is supposed to be, I only remember the First and Second Battle of Seaford Nine... -- SaganamiFan (talk) 03:23, March 16, 2014 (UTC)
Light Manticoran picket was sneaked by Havenite cruisers (two squadrons?) before battle of Hancock (it can be stub content of the article, just a few sentences at HH3). Described with details at SITS stuff (I just noticed the name of the battle at some googlable list of contents). --dotz (talk) 09:44, March 16, 2014 (UTC)

Timeline of Yeltsin's StarEdit

  • There are contradictions in the timeline about the rediscovery date of Yeltsin's Star.
I suspect the last one comes from a line in HH2: " Warshawski sail ship called here until barely two hundred years ago." This was in 1903 PD, so someone likely calculated it to ~1703. However, the Companion establishes a more clear date, so I think we should use that. -- SaganamiFan (talk) 22:19, January 26, 2015 (UTC)

Jayne's book titleEdit

The page title says "Jayne's Fighting Ships of the Galaxy", but it should be changed to the cover art, which says "Ship Book" (also used in the Honorverse Non-Fiction template box). The title in the template, "Jayne's Fighting Ships of the Galaxy", should be changed also.

I suggest merging the "Main Honor Harrington series" template and the "Honorverse Non-Fiction" template into a single template.

Syalantillesfel (talk) 03:56, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

Shadow of FreedomEdit

The above lists/templates disagree where "Shadow of Freedom" should be placed.

Syalantillesfel (talk) 04:48, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

Use of sigil in KSP flagEdit

Hello!  I would like to use the RMN sigil you have posted on the site as the centerpiece of a flag for Kerbal Space Program.  I would also like to submit the resulting flag to a collection of crowd-sourced flags hosted on GitHub.  I would like your permission to use your sigil for this purpose.  I have posted on the talk page for the sigil and Dotz sent me to you.  I look forward to hearing from you soon.  Thanks!! Mathuin (talk) 19:58, June 26, 2016 (UTC)

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